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  • 1.  Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-16-2023 10:51
    Any "Best Practices " in working with Summit Hosting?  I have some interactions with them, but they seem to hide behind the curtain.  New client running v2022 STD using Sage Intelligence.  On MY login, the required addins appear in Excel.  SI runs.  In client's session, None appear in Excel, even the BI Generator which is added when installing the Sage client.  I reinstalled the client during their session but still nothing appeared.  Doesn't Summint have any installation standards when working wiyth a Sage client?  Or do we need to tell them every time what is needed?  Also, what is the recommendation for servers.  All three of my STD clients are running the client from the same server where Sage is installed.  Does anyone insist on two servers for five users or less?

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    Jeff Schwenk
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    (540) 221-4444
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  • 2.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-16-2023 11:11
    I have had to use this on TS's a lot lately.
    View Document - Sage Knowledgebase

    Also, it seems like I've had to be the one to ready a machine for SI no matter who the cloud provider is.

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    Beth Bowers
    (269) 358-0989
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  • 3.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 01:33
    I started working with Summit Hosting 4 years ago.  I have a couple of clients using their services.  Initially, they rocked.  IT people at Summit hosting do not know Sage 100, which is fine with me.  Lately, the support beyond basic has not been great.  You need to push with your salesperson as to what you need.

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    [Michele] [Herzog] [CPA,CITP, CGMA]
    [Overland Park] [KS]
    [816-520-1365]
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  • 4.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 02:08
    We (gotomyerp) just have a script wrapper for the Excel launcher that loads all the necessary add-ins for SI. Makes it very easy for any users in a TS environment without having to touch the user profile. Works every time and is basically self-healing, If anything ever goes wrong with the SI add-ins, we just ask the user to launch Excel once, and everything is fixed.

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    George Khairallah
    CTO | gotomyerp, LLC
    george.k@gotomyerp.com |
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  • 5.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 02:25
    While I will confirm GoToMyERP is solid, I will never recommend them to another client as they are very controlling.  As a consultant you are not allowed to install anything and you are not allowed to follow the naming convention that you use for the rest of your clients.  GoToMyERP has no business getting into your Sage client's database and acting as if your Sage client is their Sage client.  They need to be a hosting provider and stop there.  They have GoToMyERP plastered on the desktop, which is very annoying as I do not need a company logo on my desktop.  I have changed my desktop many times and it reverts back.  For the record, I think George is great, I just do not like their business concept with the Sage ROR.

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    [Michele] [Herzog] [CPA,CITP, CGMA]
    [Overland Park] [KS]
    [816-520-1365]
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  • 6.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 07:56
    We have a very small, 2-user customer on Summit. We started them with I-BN, and all were quite happy with the experience. As with all our customers, we work hard to make it all seamless for the customer: customers do admin tasks that they want to do, and we assist when need be. 

    Over the past year, Summit has become nearly impossible to deal with. Their security protocol is nearly "cone of silence" level and difficult for older personnel to navigate (our customer's mother is involved ...). But they are now oppressive with their MS Administrator policy: it seems they allow only ONE person to be that. This makes it nearly impossible regarding things like Aatrix updates which require Admin to run because SmartBridge is an Administrator for obvious reasons.

    Worse, we no longer can speak with any Support person, and interaction with their tool is inadequate in this case (also others ..) This came to a head last week for us, and I'm now starting Michele's tactic: raise hell through the sales side. 

    The only reason we stay with Summit is the pricing for tiny users is very, very attractive. But the price isn't everything. As it stands now, we will not recommend Summit again, and may yet find a price point meeting our customer's value relating to the annoyance of blocked Aatrix updates followed by support dance around overly restrictive user protocols.

    Our other customers in the cloud via Applianz -- remember them? They still live and are quite viable. They know their cloud stuff, and we have the full ability to install our Sage-related pieces without interference. We essentially white-label them.

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    Jerry Norman
    Smartbridge Partners
    (512) 653-7498
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  • 7.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 09:42
    I have several Summit customers who were I-BN customers and they ALL complain about the performance relative to what they had with I-BN.

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
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  • 8.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 13:35
    Greetings 90 Minds...
    Thank you for your feedback and opinion.

    Since I was called out in this thread, I will take the opportunity, publicly as well, to set the perception of gotomyerp correctly.

    Here's a different context for the frustration some of you have felt
    Imagine you are responsible for 1000s of customers and every variable in each of those environments, every minute of every day.  

    How would you manage, secure, guarantee, and scale your business
    In the scenario where anyone is allowed to do anything, you end up with a disastrous result i.e. an Insync, I-BN, Summit, et al, provider x, provider y, continuously.  Imagine - Insync was made worse because their breach was caused by an employee where their computer introduced the virus to the production servers! (how's that for quality?)

    How did we address this from day one
    Our operations began in 2012 and formally in 2014 and, as a result, of our engineering protocols...
    No customer has ever experienced an outage, unscheduled downtime, or cyber event… EVER.  
    We were one of, if not the first, Sage and QuickBooks hosting providers to use AWS. If that's not good enough, we're so transparent about these statements and will share our insurance claims history with any valid prospect or consultant.  

    Next, our engineered approach takes nothing away from the consultant. 
    If anything, we relieve pressure.  Yes, it causes frustration for those who do not like to be constrained or follow protocols.  Yet, consultants who have correctly used our dedicated hosting service correctly make 40-50% recurring margins without fear of losing the customer because of issues at other providers.

    Security, redundancy, continuity, and more.
    Although AWS has its own SOC2T2 and myriad of certs… We are one of, if not the only, Sage and QuickBooks Cloud hosting provider that can provide our own SOC2T2 to organizations that require this (for public, erisa/trust orgs, etc.), and can leverage ITAR-compliant facilities for governments, military and military suppliers.  How do I know? We've had CPA firms vet the "others" against us, and we won.
    Unlike our "friends" in the space who (documented) tell untruths about their infrastructure, do not come close to our built-in quality of service at the price point we offer.  Not Net@work, Summit, SWK, Sage's, or other "offerings." No one.  Personally, I don't think their quality is worth the tiny bump in margin you get in the license for only the 1st year.

    Although I cannot absolutely confirm this, Robert (our CEO) has been one of the only consultants in this space who has offered his time, as long as was necessary, to help consultants transition into a recurring revenue model.
    Because we know where we live in this space, we're quite comfortable inviting customers and consultants who know the difference, expect it, and are willing to pay for it. We understand this so well that we even offer a 5000$ credit to your customers who migrate to us.

    Choose better.


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    George Khairallah
    CTO | gotomyerp, LLC
    george.k@gotomyerp.com |
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  • 9.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 15:26
    @George Khairallah - Thanks for the explanations. It's helpful.

    ​I have two questions:
    1. How should a Partner deal with the Administrator problem? The client needs to be able to run normal updates by the software installed on their image, but a Partner must ALSO have these rights in order to assist when things get complicated.

    2. Most Partners don't want the cloud provider actively promoting themselves to the customer. We call in the provider if needed. This confuses customers about who to call when. Am I missing something?

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    Jerry Norman
    Smartbridge Partners
    (512) 653-7498
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  • 10.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 20:10
    1. How should a Partner deal with the Administrator problem? The client needs to be able to run normal updates by the software installed on their image, but a Partner must ALSO have these rights in order to assist when things get complicated.

    If you are referring to the "Administrator" problem with gotomyerp specifically, there is not one:

    • All the consultants have local admin on the server.
    • The end users don't, for obvious reasons.  (Refer to my original post and @Wayne Schulz note as well).
    It is by policy that we do not allow installations without our involvement: We need to guarantee that everything is still accessible, as this is our commitment to our hosting client as their hosting provider. An image-backup is taken of the server before any updates are installed. You'd be surprised how often issues happen due to some update or change, and we need to restore the whole server to a point right before the update. In some situations, having a good copy of MAS90 alone is not good enough.

    2. Most Partners don't want the cloud provider actively promoting themselves to the customer. We call in the provider if needed. This confuses customers about who to call when. Am I missing something?

    Again, not sure if you are referring to gotomyerp, specifically or in general. We only operate in our capacity as a hosting provider for any hosting client aligned with a partner of ours.

    We have explicit internal policies that prohibit us from taking over the maintenance or any involvement in customers' Sage system (or any ERP, for that matter) if they are aligned with one of our partners. For these clients, we assist in the following manners:
      1. System issues related to the functioning of the Sage system. (i.e: workstation doesn't launch, SI addons are missing, Paperless is not properly functioning). We have amassed a lot of expertise over the years and have developed easy and sometimes even automated solutions for these issues. 
      2. Even items like a password reset or creating a new account in Sage. While we are fully capable of doing this, we forward those requests to the partner as soon as that request crosses over into the application realm.
      3. If the partner would like our assistance in anything related to Sage beyond what is mentioned in the scope above. 



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    George Khairallah
    CTO | gotomyerp, LLC
    george.k@gotomyerp.com |
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  • 11.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-18-2023 14:27
    Of the objections raised here, none have impacted our GTMERP clients that have not been overcome with stability, flexibility, and stellar service.  I prefer GTMERP branding to clearly indicate they host and we consult.  While they have increased their controls over the years for the reasons George cites, they have been amenable in other areas to compensate.

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    Bob Pfahnl
    Manager - Silicon Valley
    DSD Business Systems
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  • 12.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 14:03
    I think a big part of the issue is the problem many providers can have with crypto-type malware.

    As @George Khairallah points out, there don't seem to be many cloud hosts that are immune to the problem. I feel that's a significant reason the hosting services have evolved and begun to lockdown or template their configurations. I'd do the same thing.

    ​Imagine if we let the owner's mother be an admin and also access email on the server with potential exposure to malware. And (I think) in most cases, these organized crime syndicates are looking to take down the entire hosting provider and not just Mom & Pop's Baked Biscuits, which has only two users. Something about the weak link in the chain. Get in through the weakest link and then expand your reach to as many hosting servers as possible.

    Sage Partner Cloud may be an option for vanilla customers who don't need extensive ISV integrations ( do such Sage 100 customers still exist long-term?).

    Otherwise, the ROI has to be there so that when the customer fires up Excel and does a cost analysis (which mine always does), they are still interested in proceeding. The ROI is the biggest problem I encounter. Customers read the marketing materials and repeatedly say, "we understand that Sage 100 is in the cloud now - how do we move". The sad faces I see when I discuss added hosting costs are second only to those I see from the Sage 100 Contractor customers who reach out for support "because we do Sage 100, right?".




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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 13.  RE: Summit Hosting

    Posted 01-17-2023 17:42
    Good, Fast, Cheap  Pick 2
    Security, flexibility, ease of use  Pick 1
    Since pretty much all the routers on the planet have government-mandated back doors...

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
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