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Scanco contacting customers directly

  • 1.  Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-16-2020 16:26
    Just found out Scanco is contacting our clients directly without involving or notifying is.  I guess I'm not surprised but Holton Irwin is also their AR person who hounds us for invoices that aren't due for two weeks.  He's going to do a "process review" and help the client better utilize their software..... yeah right.  On top of that this client doesn't even have Multi-bin as he mentions, they have a different Scanco enhancement.

    From: Holton Irwin <holton@Scanco.com>

    Date: 1/14/20 13:52 (GMT-07:00)

    To: xxxxxxxxx

    Subject: Process Review

     

    Good Afternoon xxxx,

     

    I spoke with xxxxxx who referenced me over to you as the best person to speak with. I wanted to follow up and see how everything is going with our Multibin software, and if you had any additional questions with our products. I also wanted to schedule a brief process review and discuss any future plans you might have, we like to schedule these with our clients towards the end of the year/beginning of the New Year for an overall check-in.

     

    Are you available the following Monday at 1:00PM EST or at 2:00 EST?, let me know if any of those times work and I will send out a calendar invite. If those times don't work, would you be able to offer up any alternatives?

     

    My direct line is 941.584.9247, have a great rest of your day!


    Holton Irwin

    Client Care Specialist


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    Bernie Lehman
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
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  • 2.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-16-2020 18:00
    Join the club........  They may be at MOTM next month.  Are you coming?  Good time to meet up with them.

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 3.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-16-2020 21:25
    Contacting your clients is one thing, but to use bad grammar and poorly written sentences is inexcusable. I'm not sure management at Scanco has any control over these people.​

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    John Hoyt, Co-Founder
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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  • 4.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-16-2020 21:27
    And, yes, if my comments are seen by Scanco, good. They need to know what's happening!​

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    John Hoyt, Co-Founder
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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  • 5.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-17-2020 07:40
    @Bernie Lehman
    The email indicates "our clients".  "we like to schedule these with our clients towards the end of the year/beginning of the New Year for an overall check-in"​

    Does Scanco bill the end user directly?  If so, then I can see some logic in the email.  If not, then this is your customer, and any contact with the customer should be either through you or authorized by you. 




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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Assistant to the Traveling Secretary
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  • 6.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-17-2020 07:54
    @Doug Higgs - That was the most irritating part of this - everything is billed on our paper, we make sure they pay on time and pay Scanco, we take their panic calls when something isn't working, we meet with them several times each year to stay in front of any issues they may be having or new business needs that arise - that's MY client and we work our asses off to make sure it stays that way. 

    If Scanco wants to benefit from all the effort we put into that relationship they should work with us to do so.

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    Bernie Lehman
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
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  • 7.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-18-2020 19:57
    They should also consider paying higher margins for all the work we do to keep the client happy with their software.​

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    John Hoyt, Co-Founder
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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  • 8.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-19-2020 10:27
    The solution is pretty simple - you don’t sell or represent any company that behaves like that.

    Many many years ago I had a different ISV pull a similar stunt. They did so many mods for a customer that they demanded ( according to the customer ) an ROR.

    I vowed to never sell or promote that ISV and I haven’t in 25+ years. I’m sure they did well without me but the point is not rewarding that type behavior is often the only recourse we have as VARS.



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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 9.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-19-2020 14:39
    Not dealing with Scanco is not really a solution for many of us. Management needs to be made aware of this, so they can get control of the new people. This rep has only been there since May 2019.

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    John Hoyt, Co-Founder
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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  • 10.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-20-2020 10:16
    In contrast to Scanco's email to the client, we received the following email from from Velixo (Acumatica ISV). Keeping us involved and giving us a chance to Optout if we so desire.

    Dear Partner,

    In order to receive a feedback from our clients regarding our products and services and to eventually improve my offer, I would like to send your clients this short survey below:
    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CTW2R62

    If you do NOT want us to send this survey to your customers, please contact my assistant Sabine Canel at scanel@velixo.com before January 30th.

    I thank you for your collaboration.
     
    Best regards,

    Gabriel Michaud



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    Regards,

    Lloyd Smith
    Mindover Software
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  • 11.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-20-2020 12:52

    I think it's a question of trust.

    If Scanco invests in efforts to ensure customers are fully using the solution AND sends all the work through the partner, then that's actually a good thing for the channel partners.

    Too often, I see all of us - small and large partners - get hung up in decision-making, analysis, and planning to the point that initiatives don't launch. Very few of the partners have perfected the up-sell and cross-sell motions to go off without a hitch. Personally I think Net@Work and SWK are doing great here and DSD is doing this decently  - not to disparage other firms, just speaking from my personal viewpoints.

    So if the ISVs can drum up business with a sincere desire to serve the greater good of our customers and generate $$$ for us, the only other reason for us to be concerned or upset is it represents a loss of control.

    Not to get overly Zen here but control is a fiction in most things in life - and particularly so with consulting customers. If we serve the customers best interest, we build trust and longevity. If we try to lock down the customer and the conversations they might be having, we might still be serving them well. We might also be wasting energy on managing our own fear.

    I know this opinion may not be popular. It would be a great discussion at the bar at MotM!



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    Peter Wolf
    Azamba Consulting Group
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  • 12.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-21-2020 08:48
    I second your thoughts about the illusion of control in a consulting relationship. I am a recovering control freak. The insight that moved me 180 was that "trust" and inertia are fundamental to this relationship. When a customer feels in their guts that you are offering good advice and services at a reasonable price, then they won't leave without a good reason (which is usually built up over a period of serial let-downs by you). All experienced people have a strong bias toward the devil-you-know rather than the devil-you-don't (hence, the inertia).

    That said, the biggest problem in this area we deal with is how to develop this trust "up the chain."  We all usually have very good relations with the hands-on users, and maybe their supervisor. But beyond that, we struggle to be more than invisible, like the route people keeping the coffee and water stocked. So when competitors do come in successfully it is at that level, and in orgs where upper management don't respect the knowledge and experience of the people using the system, and how easy it is for change there to really mess things up.

    So, yes  - relentless customer focus is the way to defend against the Scanco's of the world.

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    Jerry Norman
    President, 90 Minds
    Smartbridge Partners
    512.419.1444 x112
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  • 13.  RE: Scanco contacting customers directly

    Posted 01-21-2020 20:30
    Well said. 

    To clarify my position a bit, I wouldn't lash out at "the Scanco's of the world". I'm actually saying that their efforts might be a favor in disguise to partners who otherwise don't find the time to do their own marketing.

    It's all contingent upon what Scanco does with any business that arises from their efforts.

    If a third-party ISV took initiative AND brought me commission checks for work that I probably wouldn't get around to pursuing ... that's not a horrible thing.

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    Peter Wolf
    Azamba Consulting Group
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