Sage 100

 View Only
Expand all | Collapse all

Sage Payroll Tax site down?

  • 1.  Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 16:53
    Anyone have any clients unable to reach Sage right now for tax calculations or tax updates?
    Receiving errors on both.

    Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. Response status code does not indicate success: 525 (Origin SSL Handshake Error). (err/ret=2/0)

    Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. The number of uploaded employees was 139, but only 2 employees were downloaded. (err/ret=2/0)

    When trying to update payroll taxes Payroll Tax Update -
    The Sage Payroll Tax Service could not be reached Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. Response status code does not indicate success: 525 (Origin SSL Handshake Error). (err/ret=2/0)

    #sage100 #payroll #2018​​​

    ------------------------------
    Dana Young
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
    Lansing MI
    ------------------------------


  • 2.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 16:58
    Just ran the PR utility and it worked ok so I don't think the site is down, at least for Kansas.  Try again?

    ------------------------------
    Mary Mays
    Sr. Consultant, DSD Business Systems
    DSD Business Systems
    KS
    ------------------------------



  • 3.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 16:58
    Worked fine in my local v2019 system.

    ------------------------------
    - Brett
    ------------------------------



  • 4.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 17:15
      |   view attached
    I tried again & still errors. 
    "Sage 100 cannot connect to the Sage payroll tax service"
    I tried from another client & same error when I used the Payroll Status Check.

    On the phone with Sage & they are getting multiple calls that its their end.

    ------------------------------
    Dana Young
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
    Lansing MI
    ------------------------------



  • 5.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 17:48
    How often does this happen???? Between hurricanes and the terrible power and internet issues, my customers are still adamant to upgrade to v2018.
    If they get to read this....they will never do....

    ------------------------------
    Lourdes Sobrino
    LU² DSD Puerto Rico
    Guaynabo Puerto Rico
    787.485.9638
    ------------------------------



  • 6.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 17:53
    Sage Paya had an issue earlier today, wonder if this is a related thing? Paya said was 'impacted by a disruption of service at our firewall vendor.' I have no idea if these services use the same firewall vendor....

    ------------------------------
    Mary Mays
    Sr. Consultant, DSD Business Systems
    DSD Business Systems
    KS
    ------------------------------



  • 7.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 20:20
    Tax Calc was down mid-morning Eastern time.  Then up working again.  No notice from Sage.

    ------------------------------
    Lee Graham
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
    ------------------------------



  • 8.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 20:53
    What is up with the Service notification e-mails?  I was led to believe that this is supposed to notify users of events that may impact your ability to use the service.  Did NO ONE get a message?  If a crash happens and no one gets an email, does Sage make any noise.  Someone has some 'splaining to do........



    ------------------------------
    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
    ------------------------------



  • 9.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 21:03
    Exactly @Jeff Schwenk !! Where was the notification on this one!
    And... when I called in, the Sage tech didn't know anything about it until he asked some colleagues & realized others were experiencing the same thing.
    As soon as I duplicated it at another client, I knew it was them; how would they not know & not send a notice out.​

    ------------------------------
    Dana Young
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
    Lansing MI
    ------------------------------



  • 10.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 21:01
    @Lee Graham, I was working on it at 5:15 pm EST & it was still out. Sage told me to wait 30 minutes & try again! 
    That's exactly what my customer wants to hear when they want to get payroll done before the holiday! ​

    ------------------------------
    Dana Young
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
    Lansing MI
    ------------------------------



  • 11.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 21:27
    Time to start handing out Linda Cade's email address to everyone.  If Sage is going to shove this down our throat, then someone needs to step up to the plate and turn on the bat light.  Get Commissioner Gordon on the line!!!!  Where does the buck stop??  At one time, 90Minds had a red phone line..... I am starting to roll PR out to my little people.  I cannot afford to have one of my big guns come to a grinding halt.  Doctors get very mad if their paycheck is not processed on time.

    ------------------------------
    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
    ------------------------------



  • 12.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 22:37
    Oh, the benefits of the cloud.  It is perplexing there isn't a backup method of calculating payroll taxes on premise.

    ------------------------------
    Doug Higgs
    Assistant Technical Support / Building Maintenance Specialist
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    ------------------------------



  • 13.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 22:48
    ​These types of events are going to happen, but we have to compare the outages with the time that the systems perform as expected. For the most part these systems and the cloud in general works well. Users need to take responsibility for having contingency plans, which they generally do not. Trusting that the cloud will never have an issue is similar to clients that do not have proper backups of their data of which there are many of those. We have all had clients that had servers fail with or without backups and were down for 1 - 2 or more weeks.

    ------------------------------
    John Hoyt
    Forming Solutions: john.hoyt@formingsolutions.com
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group: johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
    ------------------------------



  • 14.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 22:58
    The Smithsonian Channel has been running a series on the space race getting through the "clouds" to space.  In retrospect, it is amazing the magnitude of risks they took to achieve JFK's challenge of the decade.  Things didn't always work the first time, sometimes to tragic end (e.g. Apollo One fire on the launching pad).  But people persevered and the challenge was met.  Keep that in mind when these glitches appear.  As John says, have a plan B for when the grid goes down.

    ------------------------------
    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
    ------------------------------



  • 15.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 23:20

    @John Hoyt is there a contingency if Sage's PR tax servers are down?

    This has been one of my biggest concerns since they announced how the new payroll tax calculation was going to work. ​



    ------------------------------
    Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
    ------------------------------



  • 16.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 01:25
    "Trust no one." Ultimately it's the user's responsibility no matter where their programs and data are, so they must have a contingency plan.

    ---------------------------------
    John Hoyt
    Forming Solutions: john.hoyt@formingsolutions.com
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group: johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
    ---------------------------------





  • 17.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 07:03
    Payroll is different.  It's not the the client's responsibility to have a backup plan to calculate payroll taxes for 100 employees on a moments notice.  It is Sage's responsibility to have 100% up-time for payroll taxes OR have an alternative emergency plan such as a tax calculation installation download to calculate the taxes on-premise.

    ------------------------------
    Doug Higgs
    Assistant Technical Support / Building Maintenance Specialist
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    ------------------------------



  • 18.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-02-2019 23:07
    @Doug Higgs, that's been an ongoing conversation. I have a customer whose server is not on the internet for ​whatever reason and they are holding off on upgrading to 2018 for that reason.

    ------------------------------
    Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
    ------------------------------



  • 19.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 07:09
    @Robert Wood  There will always be a market for an on-premise solution.  Cloud users rely on the priority and urgency of third parties to fix down servers, internet connections, etc.  ​

    ------------------------------
    Doug Higgs
    Assistant Technical Support / Building Maintenance Specialist
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    ------------------------------



  • 20.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 07:03
    There have been a couple of widespread Internet outages over the past week or two. I think yesterday it was Cloudflare which provides some widespread services 

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cloudflare-outage-causes-major-websites-across-internet-to-go-down-2019-7

    ------------------------------
    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
    ------------------------------



  • 21.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 07:07
    As a backup calculation method, I know you can enter manual taxes. The issue might be entering the employer portion of those taxes which Sage typically calculates.

    Here's a Sage site checker which shows the status of all Sage services. 

    https://trust.sage.com/

    There is usually a lag from when systems are interrupted and when these status sites get updated.

    ------------------------------
    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
    ------------------------------



  • 22.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 09:24
    We are supposed to be business mgt tech experts to our customers. So, what should we be advising our customers to do to mitigate this risk? Until Sage releases a "run without internet access" update, Sage Payroll customers will continue to have this risk.

    Is, Wayne's "Prepared to you your taxes manually" a good option? I am skeptical.

    Chuck and I always encourage our customers to simply move to a complete online payroll service, simply for ROI and management focus reasons. Does anybody on this thread have a sense of how ADP and others deal with outages? I haven't researched it recently, but my sense is that it's been a very long time since ADP el al had a serious internet access episode. Are they more reliable?

    Or is it simply to tell the customer, "Ensure that you have a 3-day buffer for payroll processing. If there is an internet problem, they never last more than day, and you just resume processing the next day." Am I missing something with this recommendation?

    I really am curious about the collective wisdom of this crowd on this question.

    ------------------------------
    Jerry Norman
    President, 90 Minds
    Smartbridge Partners
    512.419.1444 x112
    ------------------------------



  • 23.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 09:33
    I encourage my customers to go with a professional payroll service rather than Minimum Viable Product software connected to the low bidder web service...

    ------------------------------
    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
    Asheville NC
    678.273.4010 ext 5
    ------------------------------



  • 24.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 09:52
    @Phil McIntosh the first time one of my customers has to manually calculate payroll taxes because Sage's tax calculator is down will be all the encouragement they need to change software (payroll and ERP).​

    ------------------------------
    Doug Higgs
    Assistant Technical Support / Building Maintenance Specialist
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    ------------------------------



  • 25.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 11:27
    Seriously, why do companies continue to do payroll in-house?

    ------------------------------
    alan niergarth
    Velosio LLC
    ------------------------------



  • 26.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 11:31
    Last minute checks are the biggest complaint - can't do them.

    ------------------------------
    Beth Bowers
    Mom to Samson, Peanut, ChiChi, Canton, and Cagney
    Beth Bowers
    269-445-1625
    ------------------------------



  • 27.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 09:36
    What's the point of the Service Notification Maintenance?  Did anyone receive an email that the Payroll Tax Calculation Engine was down?  I did not.

    ------------------------------
    Mary Mays
    Sr. Consultant, DSD Business Systems
    DSD Business Systems
    KS
    ------------------------------



  • 28.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 09:47
    If Sage's Internet is down, email might not work. 

    Phil

    Philip Whirley
    Accounting Systems, Inc.
    (803) 252-6154 ext 240


    ------Original Message------

    What's the point of the Service Notification Maintenance?  Did anyone receive an email that the Payroll Tax Calculation Engine was down?  I did not.

    ------------------------------
    Mary Mays
    Sr. Consultant, DSD Business Systems
    DSD Business Systems
    KS
    ------------------------------


  • 29.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 10:04
    @Philip Whirley  Sage should have redundant internet services to ensure 100% internet uptime.  ​

    ------------------------------
    Doug Higgs
    Assistant Technical Support / Building Maintenance Specialist
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    ------------------------------



  • 30.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 10:32
    Edited by Jeff Schwenk 07-03-2019 10:36
    My .02.

    Back when this concept was being rolled out, I recall that this cloud calculation concept had some redundancy by having two processing centers geographically separate.  I heard that there would always be one center available 24/7.

    Apparently, this is either a figment of my imagination or the alternative site switch over did not work and the email notification that we are required to provide an address for in PR set up failed as well.

    At one time, we (90M) had some pull with Sage and we could get some inside information directly and quickly.  Has this changed in recent months?  Dunno.  I would suggest that the current management team call our Sage contact and demand some explanation and report back to the group.

    Otherwise, we can all start posting on Sage Talk (oops Sage City) and someone from Sage will see the trending complaints and report back.

    ------------------------------
    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
    ------------------------------



  • 31.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 10:39
    @Jeff Schwenk your recollections are consistent with mine.

    We do still have a tight relationship with the R&D team at Sage. We have had the conversations with them and will bring it up as a bigger item again now. I know I've personally had several conversations with Elliott about this issue.

    I'm going to move this thread to Sage 100 since the urgency seems to be over.​

    ------------------------------
    Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
    ------------------------------



  • 32.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 12:26
    The issue is not an R & D problem.  It is now a tech support issue, but even bigger than that.  We were told by Linda Cade there would be no issues.  We were told we would receive an email alert but we didn't!  So is someone from 90M management (to flex our muscle) going make the call on the hot line or do we ask @Kevin Moyes to raise cane on Sage City?  Real time issues require real time solutions.  Our customers should not be asked to wait patiently in the dark.


    ------------------------------
    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
    ------------------------------



  • 33.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-03-2019 15:51
    Already being worked on.

    ------------------------------
    Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
    ------------------------------



  • 34.  RE: Sage Payroll Tax site down?

    Posted 07-04-2019 13:19
    I might not be the best person to complain about PR issues... (because 99.9% of our customers don't use Sage 100 for PR).
    The Partners section of Sage City should be open to all partners... I remember the application process being quick.

    ------------------------------
    Kevin Moyes
    Technical Systems Analyst
    Munjal White Consulting Co.
    Toronto ON
    ------------------------------