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  • 1.  Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-16-2025 19:39

    Do any 90 Minds members do Sage 100 and QuickBooks consulting?  I have a customer that has two divisions.  The smaller division has used QuickBooks for many years.  The larger division that uses Sage 100 was recently sold and they are trying to decide if they should use Sage 100 or QuickBooks as the primary ERP software.  I am looking for information comparing the two products to help them make the best decision.   



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  • 2.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-16-2025 23:34

    An easy way to start is to ask 1 or 2 AI chatbots to compare pros and cons of the two.

    The next thing to do is put the situation into the chatbot, describing some business details of each division - flat out ask the bot for recommendation.

    You must assume somebody at your client is doing that already.

    Recognize that QB competes heavily with Xero; Xero seems to be winning.

    Also know that it is really hard to get QB financials through an audit. If the buying division has more than one owner, that might clear it up right away.

    I assume neither division has significant inventory for B2B operations. There would not be a question if they did.

    Why does there need to be one system for both? If you're rolling up companies, that definitely rules out QB. If it's just reporting, several BI tools, including Dataself and Solver connect to both and can show financials.

    If neither has inventory, you really should encourage them to investigate Intacct. Even if they do, cuz odds are if they have S100 they've already responded to Sage's website.

    My guess is this is personal: the senior accounting person at the new owners of the S100 division are QB fans and looking for an excuse to choose QB. If they do, I predict they will end up with Intacct within 2 years.

    What am I missing?



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    Jerry Norman
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  • 3.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 12:25

    @Jerry Norman  The larger division that uses Sage 100 was recently sold.  The smaller division has always used QuickBooks.  Payroll and accounts payable for both divisions was processed in Sage 100.  Journal entries for the QuickBooks transactions were booked monthly in Sage 100.  Financial reporting was done in Sage 100 using Sage Intelligence.  They are left with the small division and want to now have one integrated system.

    Yes, I can use ChatGPT or other AI and other resources to get the compare and contrast of Sage 100 and QuickBooks.  Ideally I would like the opinion of a consultant that does both QuickBooks and Sage 100.  It's difficult to be experts in multiple ERP systems but it happens.

    Yes, small division accounting has been using QuickBooks for years so they less fearful if they stay with QuickBooks.  Of course, that doesn't mean staying with QuickBooks is in the best interest of the company.



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    Doug Higgs
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  • 4.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 13:02

    I didn't quite understand - so you are advising solely the division that has always used QB?

    If they've managed with QB all this time, why would they want to change? It sounds like they need only GLAPAR needs, yes? Sage 100 has long been overkill for those sorts of firms. 

    Without knowing how large this division is, what they sell and how, or what pains they have now with QB. Payroll and AP function well in QB, as long the AP isn't inventory releated. What are their growth plans/dreams? Outside invesment plans to fuel growth? (QB won't cut it there.)

    A QB user will hate using S100, so there had better be a strong reason to switch to that.

    Intacct has LOTS of experience taking smaller QB firms, although mainly non-profits or multi-entity.  

    I'd love to hear more. Call me anytime.



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    Jerry Norman
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  • 5.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 13:55

    If they are comparing annual investments between the 2, I always ask if they have factored in potential embezzlements. The reaction is either they laugh or don't understand the question. Having worked for several CPA firms, we had numerous stories of this occurring with QB users - a great source of new clients. The numbers were typically $200 - $300K. To larger companies, this may not seem like a lot, but for small businesses, this can be devastating. For family-owned and operated companies where it's the parents and a child that work with QB, it's probably OK, but once they start adding outsiders, there is a risk.



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  • 6.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 14:52

    John put the reason no investment firm will buy a company with QB far more memorably than what i tried to say.

    There is NO guarantee of historical financial integrity in QB. The right person go anywhere in the history and litterally change the records. There is supposedly some sort of audit trail created, but every QB expert I've talked with about this said you can get around it if you know what you're doing. 

    This falls on deaf ears to small biz managers who think all this accounting stuff is made up to produce jobs for green eyeshaders. 

    As part of my most memorable (as in "insane") Sage 100 deal closing experience, Son called me up and asked, "if we buy your product can Mom still cook the books?" My answer motivated Son to give the ultimatum ("buy this or you lose your sales manager") to Mom. She then called me and said, "Fine, we'll buy this. But I don't ever want to talk to you again!" Of course she did, but we had warmer relations with the staff -- eventually. 



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  • 7.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 15:21

    Wow!  Thanks @Jerry Norman and @John Hoyt for the input.  I didn't know that QuickBooks had such poor security.  A bit surprising considering how many CPAs are "Pro Advisors" and steer their clients to this product.



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    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
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  • 8.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-21-2025 15:56

    We had a CPA that did consulting with us for a while and she got me in the habit of calling it "CookBooks"...



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  • 9.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-22-2025 08:38

    @Robert Osborn  LOL!  I'm using that.



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    Doug Higgs
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  • 10.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-22-2025 09:11

    I had a client on Sage 100 whose bookkeeper allegedly just took them for $500-$800k ( I'm not sure they know how much). In my view fraud is much more about lack of controls and the accounting system is only one part of it.

    In this case nobody was reviewing anything on the AR and I believe what was happening is the bookkeeper wrote off large AR invoices and pocketed the money to a personal payment account or an account they controlled.

    IMO, if nobody is reviewing the books and duties are not adequately segregated it doesn't matter what accounting system you are using --- watch out! 

    See also - All the Queens Horses




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  • 11.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-22-2025 09:35

    I've had several Sage 100 fraud cases.  One was the AP guy - he would change the address of a vendor right before printing checks, then change it back.  Vendor looked paid in the system... and he signed the checks.  Had someone in a doctor's office using Medical Manager (before Sage briefly owned it) who would erase visits where patients paid in cash and pocket the money. Another Sage fraud where I'm not sure what happened, but I was very sad because I had dog-sat this guy's Chihuahua and he was freaking adorable. After he went to jail, his family moved and I never got to see that little booger again.

    (Priorities, amiright?)



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  • 12.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-22-2025 09:37

    Yes.  Definitely an issue if the same employee records cash receipts and customer invoices / credit memos.  This weakness is right there with entering vendor invoices / adjustments and also cutting checks / ACH payments.  As you mentioned @Wayne Schulz  it doesn't matter what accounting system is used if there are no segregation of duties then there is significant risk.  It's sometimes difficult to segregate job functions in small companies. "Janet is the only person that knows the system" can be dangerous.



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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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  • 13.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 15:32

    BTDT, it really depends on how patient you are at dealing with "but that's not how quickbooks did it"



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    Wayne Schulz
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    Schulz Consulting
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  • 14.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 15:43

    @Wayne Schulz  yes.  I have converted many QB systems to Sage 100 and have heard the "that's not how QB did it" many times.  My standard reply is "maybe that's good" and "there's probably a few features QB has that Sage 100 doesn't have and probably a few hundred features Sage 100 has that QB doesn't have.    



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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
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    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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  • 15.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 16:57

    I wonder if The Tr**p Organization uses QuickBooks?



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  • 16.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 18:14

    For which set of books?



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  • 17.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 21:47

    Also, QB has significantly changed pricing. Gone are the days of paying $450 every three years for a mandatory upgrade. You're now forced into subscription at a much higher recurring price. 



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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Connecticut
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  • 18.  RE: Sage 100 vs QuickBooks

    Posted 10-17-2025 23:00

    I haven't read anybody saying this, but it looks like both QB and Xero are pricing to use Intacct pricing as cover. They know their larger customers can readily use Intacct so theh make pricing not obviously distracting.

    This discourages those QB/Xero customers from considering too closely switching.

    Also the opinion of experts in the area seems to be the QB Enterprise is joke. 



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    Smartbridge Partners
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