General Consultant Discussion

Sage 100 renewals will rise 20% effective 3/1/2018. Note that this does not impact Sage 100c. http://www.s-consult.com/2018/01/23/sage-announces-pricing-adjustments-for-sage-100/

Guess they are running behind forecast in subscription conversions

I think this is a desire to push people to subscription

I agree with @WayneSchulz, the squeeze is on to motivate customers to move to subscriptions. Discount pricing on moving was the carrot. The sharp increase in maintenance renewals is the stick.

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Then next year raise the prices on 100c!!! It is coming. got to keep growing revenue!

Yikes - 40% higher for NCA on 100c?

Percentage increases on 100 are still lower than the average annual increase on my health insurance over the past 5 years!

Not ""Customers for Life"".......""Prisoners for Life

NCA? No, Can't Afford?

Drum roll.

Turns out C did mean cloud all along after all.

Then lets get users to move to Intacct because this price will start to look attractive to show the great growth this product has. Sage does need to start show what a great investment it was to spend 800 million!

I'm so confused!

OMG!!!!!

Puhleeez!

Anyone know a good therapist?

Jack Daniels

I am hoping the positive is this means 100 will be part of the Sage Cloud. If so that is significant to all of us.

Sage backpedaling on Sage Sessions replacing Sage Summit

#)(*#&$#$)(*&$#)(#*&#()*&#$ So, you clients that say NO we don't want to go to 100C because it's in the Cloud -you're right, but we're still calling it Cloud now. And you clients that say YAY, we want to move to the cloud, guess what - it's still not in the cloud even though we're calling it Cloud.

Add another 30-45 minutes to the explanation of why/how to migrate to 100 Cloud

I was just certified on 100c. Do I have to get certified on 100cloud? Questions about how to positively explain what cloud really means and why its so grossly underpriced!

Somewhere on internal chat someone is saying ""Kerstin stretch this out so we don't have to take any Q&A

LOL - Hello xxxx, we aren not moving to market Sage 100c as cloud, we are just changing the name from Sage 100c to Sage 100cloud. The same messaging: an on prem solution but now with a focus on our connect cloud capabilities (more value within subscription)

SMH

Cloud = Storm?

@moira - Definitely in my brain, at the moment. After years of pounding into end users the C isn't Cloud - #)(*#&$#)($*&$#

And now you have to say ""well, its says cloud, but it's not really cloud

Anyone have a way to scrape that Q&A screen to capture all comments?

I'm only getting one at a time...

TL;DR: Sage added the word cloud to Sage 100c making the new name Sage 100cloud. But it is in no way meant to imply that Sage 100 is a cloud app. It's just a marketing move.

If they keep raining on their own parade, they're going to get washed out. Or washed up.

And the fake news award for marketing goes to...

Sage is betting the slow frog burn in the pot will make them alot of money. As we know, very little to no R&D is going into the product beyond profit making bolt-ons. Once they can get the majority over to subscription, which is code for 'the ability to turn you off if you don't pay', their mission will be complete. Sage 100 goes into near 0 investment mode from almost 0 investment mode, and they just keep the faucet of cash open.

It's all cloudy judgment.

A bit of the Q & A banter... The c in 100c is for connected cloud capabilities. We are requesting a marketing change to spell ""cloud"" to position the c-line products as an entry point for customers to a full cloud solution Sage 100cloud is just a new name for the subscription product. The positioning will be the same. we are giving customers a connected cloud product not a cloud product. Sage 100c/300c is not going into the cloud we are just changing the name from c-line to connected cloud. Same messaging just a new name The products are not change, just the name. This is a marketing change only C-line messaging change will be a tough sell for 100c. Customers understand ""cloud"" as meaning a true browser-based multi-tenant application. The naming change is a way to reinforce the connect cloud capabilities in the product and aligning to Sage Business Cloud as a stepping stone to a full cloud solution. We already have people that say they don't want to switch to 100C because they don't want their data in the cloud. THIS IS NOT GOING TO HELP. And we have other people who say YAY, we want to be in the cloud - and with 100C, that's NOT what they get. So this is a way to reinforce the connected cloud capabilities of the c-line products and align closer our native cloud solutions under Sage Business Cloud Hello Cherry, we aren't not moving to market Sage 100c as cloud, we are just changing the name from Sage 100c to Sage 100cloud. The same messaging: an on prem solution but now with a focus on our connect cloud capabilities (more value within subscription) Cherry, within Sage 100cloud the connected services are vast, SIA, AP Automation, eCommerce, O365, Budgeting Budgeting & Planning, and Multi-Bin all come with Sage 100cloud, then there are others that you do have to pay for, but there is so much more value in the subscription product Does the name change mean Sage 100 will be part of the Sage Business Cloud strengthening its position within the Sage offerings? That is correct I agree with Beth Bowers. Some of our clients resisted going to subscription because they thought the ""c"" meant cloud. They do not want cloud! The ""c"" does not mean cloud, having the name change to Sage 100cloud/300cloud only means the positioning is now connected cloud capability with our connected services. Still on prem solution just more value with connected ecosystem Don't you think that by calling it 100cloud it will be confusing to the customer? It seems to be confusing a lot of us partners. Mary, as long as we are positioning the value of the subscription product, helping customers understand that the product/messaging still have value, we are only changing the name. Just like going from Mass90 to Sage 100.

This was a huge misstep on Sage's part, showing that the marketing people should not have a say in any of this, because they clearly do not have any understanding of what the ""cloud"" means. For that matter, upper management shouldn't either. Sage is now officially the laughingstock of the software publishing industry, if they weren't already. The only positive story in the product line-up is Sage Intacct, the only name that didn't change, and a true multi-tenant cloud product. If anyone was wondering if the BPAC was notified about any of this, we were not.

Is the price increase partner confidential or can we disclose to prospects? I would like to give heads up that my proposal will need to be revised......

I don't think any of this is partner confidential. They usually mark anything that is with an internal stamp. I think some of this takes effect March 1 which means Sage is probably billing it now. I predict Sage will make zero announcement to customers and it will be up to us to be the unpaid complaint department and answer incoming questions. PS - Good luck with ""but you can migrate to Sage 100cloud....and the 60 minute discussion on how it's not really cloud but marketed that way"".

This is classic. You now add 'cloud' and you get a stock bump. You add 'block chain', you get a stock bump. You add 'saas' you get a stock bump. Meanwhile, the lipstick is drying on this turd that was built when Ronald Reagan was president and is 90% the same code and design....

Dark clouds ahead for Sage's competitors? Will they all be waving the white flag soon and offering their own migration programs to Sage Business Cloud?

I think the Brits have decided that Americans will believe anything if you repeat it loudly enough...

And the SageSell headline claims it is ""supporting our partners""...

_This and another thread address branding changes, so I'm posting it twice:_ Ran into Rob Larsh, he said the C to Cloud, and other name changes did NOT originate in North America they were handed-down from HQ without consulting the NA leadership. Further, if anyone has any comments_ on this change, and or the effects, (update websites, brochures, etc.) email these comments to your Sage rep. All emails on this topic are being forwarded to Nancy Harris.

IMO, Sage is more grossly negligent in not coming up with a streamlined order process in the over 2 years Sage 100c has been available. Think about it. The administrative issues and headaches with ordering have been constant for two years and not one thing has been done to fix issues. I kind of think NA owns that.

@WayneSchulz Those issues are directly related to the move to Atlanta. The sales advisors and managers in Irvine were excellent. I find the management and staff in Atlanta to not be even close, and I doubt they ever will be. That move was also a UK decision.

No comments on brand name changes? The internal workings of order processing/support/sales are excellent topics for the Sage Town Hall session at MOTM. I'm sure the group will enjoy the discussion. our group that is, not likely the Sage side.

@MoiraGoggin who from Sage will be attending?

@MelissaSecody we are still working out those details.

You know how hard it is to pin down a cloud.