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  • 1.  Production Management conversion

    Posted 12-05-2019 09:14
    How many folks have been through the new Production Management conversion process?
    Internally we went through the certification process and have only a rough idea of what to expect.

    Now that clients are starting to ask for this conversion to take place I was wondering if any of you have any idea what to set as expectations.

    For a relatively vanilla WO system how much time would you set aside to "learn" the process?
    How much time on the calendar have you set aside?
    Any thing from a client retraining that sticks out as odd?


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    Brett Pensinger
    Martin And Associates
    Cincinnati OH
    513-782-6119
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  • 2.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 12-05-2019 16:57
    Edited by Jeff Schwenk 12-05-2019 20:04
    I have started two.  One is a new install with no WO to migrate and the second had WO and is still in a test phase.

    Product is improved, there are new features that take some time to get the feel of.  If you have experience with WO, then you shouldn't have much concern for MTS.  The field names have been changed but it is still for most part your "Daddy's Oldsmobile" rewired for the business framework.

    Remember, the migration doesn't include WO history.  Not sure if it ever will.  Install in a test version (make a copy of the MAS90 folder) and install it there as every company is affected.  My first go around with a WO migration, the PM utility did NOT migrate any WO data.  I followed all the steps.  Sage tech support got it to work by creating one activity code in PM, but Scanco said that wasn't a requirement and asked for the company data so they could determine the real culprit.  We haven't tested since being able to look at the current converted data.

    My thought would be to begin with a friendly vanilla WO install client and go for it.  You will probably lose money on it as you and the client will be on the learning curve as well as Sage and Scanco.  I get the impression resellers pushing PR migrations now (I am) and that the adoption rate of PM MTS is on the low side just six months after it was released in the wild.  Others may be holding back waiting for the history migration or even letting other pioneers lead the wagon train.

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 3.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 12-05-2019 17:11
    What he ( @Jeff Schwenk )​ said.

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    Beth Bowers
    Mom to Samson, Peanut, ChiChi, Canton, Cagney and Daisy (NO Oxford comma - shriek!)
    Beth Bowers
    269-445-1625
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  • 4.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 12-05-2019 20:31
    I’m on the sidelines waiting for feedback of actual live customer sites.

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 5.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 04-01-2020 14:54
    With the release of Sage 100cloud version 2020, I was curious as to the release dates for Production Management and Operations Management.  I called Scanco for an update.  Best they could say was maybe June/July for Production Management and no ETA for Operations Management.  Anyone have any further experience with any of these conversions/upgrades?

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    Steve Engmann, MBA, CMA
    Competitive Strategies, Inc.
    Appleton, WI
    920-993-1077
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  • 6.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 04-01-2020 14:58
    I think MB compatibility has been expected 'any day now' for a year, so...I'm not holding my breath.  I'm only doing new deployments.  No conversions so far.  But I'll have to before long.  The TLS security thing is pushing some of my upgrades.

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    Rhonda McNamara
    Customer Success Manager
    Stewart Technologies, Inc.
    rsm@stewarttechnologies.com
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  • 7.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 04-02-2020 11:00
    We have one client up and running since January 1, there were some problems with converted work orders behaving oddly but any new work tickets were OK.  The biggest issue we have is with serial numbers - during a completion entry each serial number has to be entered.  The old WO module would let you enter the beginning serial number and it figured the rest of them out based on the quantity.  It's a giant PITA for the client, I made them an excel sheet that prints out some bar codes they can scan but when you're completing 150 units it's not fun.  We have one other client ready to go on May 1, everything they do is FIFO.  

    Both have opted to use Sage Inventory Advisor and not IRP because they need forecasting.  Sage was confused when I requested IRP be dropped from the subscription and initially acted like it couldn't be done. I told them the customer had an itemized subscription invoice showing the amount for IRP and gave them their phone number so they could call and explain it directly.  They removed the charge from the subscription.  We had to get familiar with SIA and found it to be a robust product that puts the necessary data in front of the user and the forecasting is light years ahead of the old MRP module.

    Latest update on MB from Darrin Stewart at Scanco last week was that it's still in beta but will be ready any day.  I'll believe that when it actually comes out and even then won't feel comfortable installing it for months.  Every client we have with MB is also using Pallets and they all have recurring issues that Scanco won't acknowledge or can't seem to fix so our level of confidence in their software is low.  We have unknowingly been unpaid beta implementers for them before and don't want to go there again.

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    Bernie Lehman
    Lehman Wesley & Associates
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  • 8.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 04-02-2020 11:18
    @Bernie Lehman thank-you for the excellent feedback!​

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    Steve Engmann, MBA, CMA
    Competitive Strategies, Inc.
    Appleton, WI
    920-993-1077
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  • 9.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 04-02-2020 18:46
    We are on our second client install in a test environment. The first client was a disaster and we reverted back to WO. We are looking at Manufacturing (Oper Mgmt) as a possibility to move to. I believe with this client there were many factors why it failed. New Server (no test install), not enough permissions during the process, improper sequence of install and conversion of WO some examples. We were getting errors everywhere a WO was referenced. The current test environment I have my kid gloves on. Very methodical on the process. I converted all the data before I installed PM. There are tasks that need to be done in setup and I am getting the client to enter this information before I actually convert the WO data. I will take that information and use it when I do the final cutover. They have not tested anything yet, but are close. We will not do a WO upgrade now without a test environment.

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    Kelly Sappington
    DeRosa Mangold Consulting -Sr. Implementation Specialist
    Elkhart IN
    254-265-6736
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  • 10.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 04-03-2020 13:12
    Thanks @Kelly Sappington for your feedback!​

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    Steve Engmann, MBA, CMA
    Competitive Strategies, Inc.
    Appleton, WI
    920-993-1077
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  • 11.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-18-2020 11:12
    I did our first test conversion to Production Management from Work Order at a client site.  Over 400 routings did not convert properly because they do not have a step 0000.  This is a known issue with a recommendation to import a new step 0000 into each routing/template.  I tried to attach to the JT tables using the ODBC driver with Excel and Access.  Every time I tried to setup an ODBC link, Excel or Access would just crash and close on any JT table.  When creating a work order there is an extra step of selecting if you want to copy from an existing bill of material, template or work order.  While this is a nice feature, it was annoying to the client to have to do this on every work order instead of just having a default that would populate the work order automatically as it does now.

    The standard conversion procedure per Scanco documentation is to convert all data to 2019, install production management, then convert work order data to production management.  I did not find any documentation on the best procedure to do a final conversion since production management is already installed.  I e-mailed this question to Darin at Scanco.  He replied back stating all questions need to go through Sage.

    I e-mailed Timothy Harfield in regards to when Production Management will be available in version 2020, hoping that some of these issues will be fixed.  Timothy responded that they are still working with Scanco to get a date.

    I talked to a Master Developer in regards to a possible enhancement and found out that Scanco has not provided source code as is the standard procedure with other Sage applications.

    After consulting with the client, we have decided to stay with work order and re-evaluate once version 2020 is released.

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    Steve Engmann, MBA, CMA
    Competitive Strategies, Inc.
    Appleton, WI
    920-993-1077
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  • 12.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-18-2020 13:08
    I don't understand how you can release version 2020 yet one of the modules ( production management ) is not made available at the same time. And you also modify the subscription price for existing WO users despite PM appearing far from ready for prime time for MOST users.

    Shouldn't this be more actively managed?

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 13.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-18-2020 15:56
    Begin Rant
    I have always believed that the downfall of Sage100 will be the lack of control over third-party apps. Not sure how you can let hundreds of companies run loose with your source code, making it look and feel like Sage100, yet no QC/testing by Sage and nothing resembling a synchronized release date. If you own more than 2 add-on's there is no telling when you might be able to update. At the end of the day when things don't work or you can't update, they see it as a Sage problem. Most clients don't know or care about the details. Their investment was (is) with Sage not the add-on's they might have purchased later.  

    One of my customers is currently stuck in version 2018 because a developer decided they will not be updating one particular add-on any longer. They are evaluating their options and as a consequence looking at Sage competitors.
    End Rant

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    Kenny Daniel
    Technoclarity, Inc.
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  • 14.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-18-2020 17:09
    My Summary:

    Sage’s lack of clear and consistent leadership is what will ultimately doom them.

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 15.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-18-2020 17:52
    Sage doesn't even test their own code properly, never mind 3rd party code.

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
    Asheville NC
    678.273.4010 ext 5
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  • 16.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-19-2020 13:00
    Hopefully Elliott can give an ETA... link.


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    Kevin Moyes
    Technical Systems Analyst
    Munjal White Consulting Co.
    Toronto ON
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  • 17.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 05-22-2020 11:03


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    Kevin Moyes
    Technical Systems Analyst
    Munjal White Consulting Co.
    Toronto ON
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  • 18.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 06-04-2020 18:51
    So the Quarterly Roadmap discussion happened...looks like production management is NOT going to get scheduling (at least anytime soon) OR the ability to create work tickets from the sales order screen as originally stated and pushed back a couple of times.  Also stated that the production management and operations management are NOT going to be a simple license key change as originally stated and will have a "migration" path....anyone else excited with me?

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    Chris Mengerink
    Director
    DWD Technology Group
    Fort Wayne IN
    260-399-8653
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  • 19.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 06-05-2020 09:27
    IMO, Scanco is not adding these features since they want users to move to Operations Management (JobOps).  Scanco makes more money and takes control over more accounts by moving them to the Scanco owned JobOps solution.  If you want to create a Work Order from Sales Order, talk to ScanForce.  The new selection tool is just another way for Scanco to collect customer data and sell JobOps.

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    Steve Engmann, MBA, CMA
    Competitive Strategies, Inc.
    Appleton, WI
    920-993-1077
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  • 20.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 16:46
    So ... maybe I'm the last to know ... as I often am late to the party.  But, I just heard from Scanco yesterday that they are no longer the developers of PM and IRP and those modules are back in the hands of Sage for development (I don't know when this happened though).  Now what would be nice is if there was a roadmap for getting BOM blow-through and Projected Demands in IRP.  Anybody heard of any such things?

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    Jane Scanlan
    Partner, Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    Chanhassen MN
    952-210-7758
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  • 21.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 17:10
    YIKES!!!!!!

    Do you have anything "official" or some unnamed source speaking "off the record"  This is HUGE!!!!!

    Can our 90M insider's connection confirm?  @Robert Wood????


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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 22.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 17:20

    Did not hear this but Jeff Konstanzer, Sage Manager Customer Support, replied via e-mail to one of my various complaints about Scanco on 1/22/2021 as follows...Thanks for the feedback on the survey and we are actively working with Scanco and others to review the long-term options for OM and PM.  Hoping and should see some progress in the very near future.

    Eliminating the Scanco hurdle would be great news for our clients!!  



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    Steve Engmann, MBA, CMA
    Competitive Strategies, Inc.
    Appleton, WI
    920-993-1077
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  • 23.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 17:30
    IDK!  I really don't see where Sage taking back ownership is anything to write home about.  Sage has had years to improve the product.  They punted to Scanco who fumbled the ball.  Now the original management is coming back to save the day?

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 24.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 17:36
    The last PM roadmap I saw had it being 2023 before Sage took ownership of the code base... with lots of grumbles about availability of source code, for a Sage module, to Master Developers.

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    Kevin Moyes
    Technical Systems Analyst
    Munjal White Consulting Co.
    Toronto ON
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  • 25.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 18:09
    "with lots of grumbles about availability of source code".  LOL... Can't imagine trying to wade through those weeds to do a mod.  How could one debug a change and not be certain you unexpectedly broke something else.

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Assistant to the Traveling Secretary
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  • 26.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 17:37
    I'm trying to get official word on the situation.

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    Admin Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds, Inc.
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
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  • 27.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 17:45
    Keep us posted on the breaking news.

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 28.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 18:15
    And what about JobOps customers?

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
    Asheville NC
    678.273.4010 ext 5
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  • 29.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 18:24

    Does anyone else think the timing is odd, what with Darin and Joe both leaving?  Purely coincidence?

     

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    Bennett/Porter & Associates, Inc.

    P. 503 620 3484 | F. 503 620 2765

    12559 SW 69th Ave | Portland, OR  97223

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  • 30.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 19:58
    Operations Management development is staying with Scanco.

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    Jane Scanlan
    Partner, Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    Chanhassen MN
    952-210-7758
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  • 31.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 20:00
    Darin and Joe are back in the consulting game. They have inquired bout 90 Minds membership with us but they haven't signed up yet.

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    Admin Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds, Inc.
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
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  • 32.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 20:02

    "Operations Management development is staying with Scanco."

    That is my understanding as well regardless of anything else that may happen.



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    Admin Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds, Inc.
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
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  • 33.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-03-2021 21:29
    I would use the term "development" loosely. 2020 is essentially identical to 2019 which is identical to 2018. We are coming up on 3 years since anything has been done with OM, except the name change from Manufacturing and making it compatible with each Sage release. 2018 was supposed to be the last JobOps release and then we were promised this wonderful new Operations Management software with changes we have always wanted. Still waiting . . .

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    John Hoyt, Co-Founder
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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  • 34.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 08:59
    Darin Stewart has a new (12/2020) LinkedIn Company and website.  iLogicLab.com  Looks like it tag line is:  "the Consultant's, Consultant"
    Hoping we do hear more from both him and Joe in the near future.

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    Madeline Stefanou
    RKL eSolutions, LLC
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  • 35.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 09:06
    Let me ask the unasked question:

    Is this game over for Sage 100 MFG?

    Is it realistic that a NCA who has no prior Sage
    experience is choosing Sage MFG over Epicor?

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 36.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 11:01
    It depends where price falls in the discussion. ​​

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    Robert Wood
    DDF Consulting Group, Inc.
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
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  • 37.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 11:37
    Sage has never understood nor provided the support for a world-class, mid-market manufacturing package. Before it was "Sage Manufacturing", a Sage manager asked me why Sage didn't acquire JobOps, and I agreed. He shopped that internally and was quickly shot down. He subsequently left Sage along with all the others that had a vision. Sage could have acquired it and transformed it into something that could compete with Epicor in the mid-range market. They also could have converted MAS 90 into a real cloud product (changing the name doesn't count unless you own a magic wand). Linda Cade stated at a previous MOTM that would be easy to do. Now if they just could have found $850 million to invest, it would be a different Sage today.

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    John Hoyt, Co-Founder
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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  • 38.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 11:44

    I can't tell you how hard Chuck Wonderlich worked to try and get Sage to purchase Job Ops.  For years, he tried to get Sage to purchase it, taking every opportunity to meet with folks in charge at Sage, but alas, it didn't happen.  And none of us could ever understand WHY it didn't happen.

     

    Sue Bennett | President

    Bennett/Porter & Associates, Inc.

    P. 503 620 3484 | F. 503 620 2765

    12559 SW 69th Ave | Portland, OR  97223

    Email address | www.benpor.com

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  • 39.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 12:20
    I asked Sage PM this years ago and was told it's because they couldn't guarantee the people would transfer and without the people they may have problems developing the code.

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 40.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 12:30
    Sage won't go on the record. Scanco management will say that development will be returning to Sage. The unknown is exactly when.

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    Admin Robert Wood
    Consultant
    90 Minds, Inc.
    Ocala FL
    352-615-5898
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  • 41.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 14:24
    Got a response from Linda Cade to my Sage City Posting:

    ...and the conversation goes on...!
    There is a new Sage City forum post.
    From forum: Sage 100 Distribution, Manufacturing, and Internet Modules
    Thank you for your interest and feedback! Rest assured, there is a roadmap to address these gaps. We anticipate the addition of Projected Demands first. Then we'll address the others. As with any roadmap, timing can be a fluid thing so I will not promise timeframes, but we are actively addressing these concerns.
    Linda Cade
    Senior Product Manager, Sage 100

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    Jane Scanlan
    Partner, Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
    Chanhassen MN
    952-210-7758
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  • 42.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 14:34
    Does Production Management still require that serial numbers be entered one by one ( manually ) for Lot/Serial items created in that module? That's a big one I've been watching but don't know if that has been addressed.

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 43.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-04-2021 22:22
    These road maps to hell are paved with good intentions but what kind of wishy washy response is that?  Says nothing, means nothing.

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 44.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-05-2021 09:39
    Wasn't "Work Order to Framework" on the roadmap for "next year" starting in 2013?

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
    Asheville NC
    678.273.4010 ext 5
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  • 45.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-05-2021 10:27
    @Phil McIntosh  I believe you misunderstood the roadmap to be in human years.  They were using a unit of measure conversion table to dog years.​

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Assistant to the Traveling Secretary
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  • 46.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-08-2021 17:18
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    I'm more interested in the 48 Hot Fix Programs for Production Management that need to be downloaded and installed.  Here is to hoping that If (when) Sage takes this product back they:  a) do thorough testing and b) manage Hot Fixes in a better manner than this.

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    Madeline Stefanou
    RKL eSolutions, LLC
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  • 47.  RE: Production Management conversion

    Posted 02-09-2021 09:20
    Whatever the PR spin is on this I'm seeing evidence that Sage in fact has taken it back. At least they've taken back the support. The Sage KB is also suddenly adding mfg KB articles as well.

    IMO ( in my observation ) this is a continuing unstable time for Sage 100 Manufacturing and related modules ( PM , IRP ).

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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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