Sage 100

I think I would rather wait to do any WO-to-PM conversions until next spring/summer, so with that being said, ​​I believe I understand that bringing an existing WO/MRP customer to Sage 2019 without PM will continue to function the same as always. Does anyone foresee any risk at all with future product updates for 2019 or anything else that could affect the use of the legacy modules?

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Amber Prayfrock, Blytheco
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I'm 100% on track with your thoughts. I've asked repeatedly and I feel like I'm getting "I don't want to put down the new MFG" type comments ( aka polite). I'm recommending that people hold on any PM migrations until such time as someone can openly point to a customer that has gone live who was a prior user of Sage WO/MRP. So far all I've run into is polite dodging ( my opinion ) and people testing but not live.

My understanding is you can use WO/MRP on 2019 but if you turn on PM there's no going back since the two cannot work together.

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Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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We are going to bit the bullet with one of our customers real soon.  this will be a 2 step upgrade providing enough time for testing PM.

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alan niergarth
Velosio LLC
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:28
From: Wayne Schulz
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

I'm 100% on track with your thoughts. I've asked repeatedly and I feel like I'm getting "I don't want to put down the new MFG" type comments ( aka polite). I'm recommending that people hold on any PM migrations until such time as someone can openly point to a customer that has gone live who was a prior user of Sage WO/MRP. So far all I've run into is polite dodging ( my opinion ) and people testing but not live.

My understanding is you can use WO/MRP on 2019 but if you turn on PM there's no going back since the two cannot work together.

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Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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The most important reason to wait would be to wait for the release of Production Management MTO (PM MTO), so you have it available for comparison. Just because a customer has been using WO/MRP does not mean that's a lock for simply using PM. The estimate from Scanco and many JobOps consultants is that perhaps 70% of the manufacturers, using WO or not, are going to be candidates for PM​ MTO rather than PM. Once you convert a customer from WO to PM, it will be difficult to convince them to move to PM MTO, even if it is what they should have. This is similar to when WO was the choice over JobOps. Customers opted for WO to save money, but the reality is they did not have the functionality they needed that potentially cost them more in workarounds and lack of flexibility.

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John Hoyt
Forming Solutions: john.hoyt@formingsolutions.com
Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group: johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:31
From: alan niergarth
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

We are going to bit the bullet with one of our customers real soon.  this will be a 2 step upgrade providing enough time for testing PM.

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alan niergarth
Velosio LLC
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:28
From: Wayne Schulz
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

I'm 100% on track with your thoughts. I've asked repeatedly and I feel like I'm getting "I don't want to put down the new MFG" type comments ( aka polite). I'm recommending that people hold on any PM migrations until such time as someone can openly point to a customer that has gone live who was a prior user of Sage WO/MRP. So far all I've run into is polite dodging ( my opinion ) and people testing but not live.

My understanding is you can use WO/MRP on 2019 but if you turn on PM there's no going back since the two cannot work together.

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Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I appreciate your time in responding.

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Amber Prayfrock, Blytheco
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 11:56
From: John Hoyt
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

The most important reason to wait would be to wait for the release of Production Management MTO (PM MTO), so you have it available for comparison. Just because a customer has been using WO/MRP does not mean that's a lock for simply using PM. The estimate from Scanco and many JobOps consultants is that perhaps 70% of the manufacturers, using WO or not, are going to be candidates for PM​ MTO rather than PM. Once you convert a customer from WO to PM, it will be difficult to convince them to move to PM MTO, even if it is what they should have. This is similar to when WO was the choice over JobOps. Customers opted for WO to save money, but the reality is they did not have the functionality they needed that potentially cost them more in workarounds and lack of flexibility.

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John Hoyt
Forming Solutions: john.hoyt@formingsolutions.com
Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group: johnh@nextlevelMCG.com
------------------------------


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:31
From: alan niergarth
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

We are going to bit the bullet with one of our customers real soon.  this will be a 2 step upgrade providing enough time for testing PM.

------------------------------
alan niergarth
Velosio LLC


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:28
From: Wayne Schulz
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

I'm 100% on track with your thoughts. I've asked repeatedly and I feel like I'm getting "I don't want to put down the new MFG" type comments ( aka polite). I'm recommending that people hold on any PM migrations until such time as someone can openly point to a customer that has gone live who was a prior user of Sage WO/MRP. So far all I've run into is polite dodging ( my opinion ) and people testing but not live.

My understanding is you can use WO/MRP on 2019 but if you turn on PM there's no going back since the two cannot work together.

------------------------------
Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990

Also, WO History does not convert to PM. So if that is a problem for this customer then there is no reason to move to PM until Scanco decide if/when WO History will convert to PM.

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Jane Scanlan
Partner, Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
Jane Scanlan
Chanhassen MN
952-210-7758
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 12:03
From: Amber Prayfrock
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I appreciate your time in responding.

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Amber Prayfrock, Blytheco
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 11:56
From: John Hoyt
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

The most important reason to wait would be to wait for the release of Production Management MTO (PM MTO), so you have it available for comparison. Just because a customer has been using WO/MRP does not mean that's a lock for simply using PM. The estimate from Scanco and many JobOps consultants is that perhaps 70% of the manufacturers, using WO or not, are going to be candidates for PM​ MTO rather than PM. Once you convert a customer from WO to PM, it will be difficult to convince them to move to PM MTO, even if it is what they should have. This is similar to when WO was the choice over JobOps. Customers opted for WO to save money, but the reality is they did not have the functionality they needed that potentially cost them more in workarounds and lack of flexibility.

------------------------------
John Hoyt
Forming Solutions: john.hoyt@formingsolutions.com
Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group: johnh@nextlevelMCG.com


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:31
From: alan niergarth
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

We are going to bit the bullet with one of our customers real soon.  this will be a 2 step upgrade providing enough time for testing PM.

------------------------------
alan niergarth
Velosio LLC


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:28
From: Wayne Schulz
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

I'm 100% on track with your thoughts. I've asked repeatedly and I feel like I'm getting "I don't want to put down the new MFG" type comments ( aka polite). I'm recommending that people hold on any PM migrations until such time as someone can openly point to a customer that has gone live who was a prior user of Sage WO/MRP. So far all I've run into is polite dodging ( my opinion ) and people testing but not live.

My understanding is you can use WO/MRP on 2019 but if you turn on PM there's no going back since the two cannot work together.

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Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990

Honestly, I never even checked WO History, just WO Inquiry. Thanks, Jane!

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Amber Prayfrock, Blytheco
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 13:01
From: Jane Scanlan
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

Also, WO History does not convert to PM. So if that is a problem for this customer then there is no reason to move to PM until Scanco decide if/when WO History will convert to PM.

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Jane Scanlan
Partner, Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group
Jane Scanlan
Chanhassen MN
952-210-7758
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 12:03
From: Amber Prayfrock
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I appreciate your time in responding.

------------------------------
Amber Prayfrock, Blytheco


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 11:56
From: John Hoyt
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

The most important reason to wait would be to wait for the release of Production Management MTO (PM MTO), so you have it available for comparison. Just because a customer has been using WO/MRP does not mean that's a lock for simply using PM. The estimate from Scanco and many JobOps consultants is that perhaps 70% of the manufacturers, using WO or not, are going to be candidates for PM​ MTO rather than PM. Once you convert a customer from WO to PM, it will be difficult to convince them to move to PM MTO, even if it is what they should have. This is similar to when WO was the choice over JobOps. Customers opted for WO to save money, but the reality is they did not have the functionality they needed that potentially cost them more in workarounds and lack of flexibility.

------------------------------
John Hoyt
Forming Solutions: john.hoyt@formingsolutions.com
Next Level Manufacturing Consulting Group: johnh@nextlevelMCG.com


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:31
From: alan niergarth
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

We are going to bit the bullet with one of our customers real soon.  this will be a 2 step upgrade providing enough time for testing PM.

------------------------------
alan niergarth
Velosio LLC


Original Message:
Sent: 09-20-2019 09:28
From: Wayne Schulz
Subject: Opinion on keeping WO/MRP in Sage 2019

I'm 100% on track with your thoughts. I've asked repeatedly and I feel like I'm getting "I don't want to put down the new MFG" type comments ( aka polite). I'm recommending that people hold on any PM migrations until such time as someone can openly point to a customer that has gone live who was a prior user of Sage WO/MRP. So far all I've run into is polite dodging ( my opinion ) and people testing but not live.

My understanding is you can use WO/MRP on 2019 but if you turn on PM there's no going back since the two cannot work together.

------------------------------
Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990