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IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

  • 1.  IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-04-2023 09:02
    Edited by Wayne Schulz 01-04-2023 09:03
    First, I do understand why this year's IRD had these prerequisites:

    (And I'm not talking about the GLAPARS of the world with no enhancements)

    • Accounts Payable 1099's

      • Sage 100 2022.0 - 2022.2 (7.10.0 - 7.10.2) plus IRD (released 12/15/2022)
      • Sage 100 2021.3 - 2021.5 (7.00.3 - 7.00.5) plus IRD (released 12/15/2022)
      • Sage 100 2020.5 - 2020.6 (6.20.5 - 6.20.6) plus IRD (released 12/15/2022)
    It's a failure on Sage's part to require their remaining Sage 100 user base - many of them being larger companies with multiple integrations ( a whole other nightmare of mismanagement, but that's for another day) - to be at any particular PU to install an IRD at FYE.

    An end user should not have to call around to xx number of 3rd party providers to see who is and who isn't compatible with certain PU - just so the user can install an IRD for year-end. No surprise that Production Management 2020 isn't compatible with 2020 PU6. Hopefully, a customer notes this shortcoming BEFORE installing PU6.

    The IRDs understandably come out in a VERY compressed period at year-end.

    My complaint is = It is a bad design and a wrong business decision to release these IRDs, which may require some of Sage's larger Sage 100 customers to rush and install product updates which in turn need the user to reinstall compatible 3rd party enhancements.

    IRDs should be released for supported versions with any PU.

    I believe at least part of the requirement for a specific PU was due to a DBA field in AP. My suggestion would be that the update for that DBA is shipped as part of the IRD. Perhaps there's (slightly) more to this PU requirement than meets the eye. IMO, Sage should have thought this through more carefully.

    Yes, skipping the IRD is certainly an option. Until you consider that for the last 30 years Sage seems to treat the IRD as something that MUST be sequentially done or blamed for any number of random bad things that might happen during tax time.


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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 2.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-04-2023 09:30
    Agreed!

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    Brett Zimmerman
    Net at Work
    Greater Boston Area
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  • 3.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-04-2023 19:26
    Are IRD's included in subsequent PU releases?

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    Jeff Schwenk
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    (540) 221-4444
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  • 4.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-04-2023 22:54
    They have been in the past.

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    Mary Jo Krueger
    Senior Software Consultant
    CLA (CliftonLarsonAllen LLP)
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  • 5.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 08:17
    Numerous support KB articles suggest that if you haven't installed a prior year IRD, you should do so. I am never quite sure what Sage does with these IRDs, and if the customer is "landlocked" by sloppy enhancements, which are time and money-consuming to upgrade, they may not be able to install a PU before the next fiscal/tax year. 

    Areas within Sage 100 that are relied upon for year-end tax reporting should be sandboxed from custom enhancement - and if a customer chooses to override that, they do so at their own risk - so an IRD can be applied without regard to the existence of a PU or breaking sloppy enhancements for which there is no PU compatibility.

    Sage needs to take the lead on supported versions, and when their policy on PU releases changes, they need to publicize that before the policy change.

    TL;DR: Make Sage 100 software - when enhanced - easier to upgrade, and this whole problem becomes smaller.

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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 6.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 08:55
    Edited by Madeline Stefanou 01-05-2023 10:27
    Oops.  Never Mind.  Now I see Sage is OK with PU0 to PU2.  Scanco has said they are "not" providing a PU2 for v2022; so if your clients have Operations Management (JobOps); this is a huge problem.

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    Madeline Stefanou
    RKL eSolutions, LLC
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  • 7.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 11:40
    So how does a company that wants to position themselves as a major 3rd party vendor for Sage 100 get to skip an update???

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
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  • 8.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 11:46
    Great Question.  @Anne Sawyer do we know yet if Scanco will be attending the 90Minds Event in March 2023?  Maybe we can ask them during their session.  ​

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    Madeline Stefanou
    RKL eSolutions, LLC
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  • 9.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 13:22
    Yes - Scanco will be there. 

    They will be there and they are sponsoring and presenting.

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    Anne Sawyer
    Executive Director
    90 Minds, Inc. 1
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  • 10.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 13:24
    Great question for Sage too.

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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  • 11.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 11:58
    @Phil McIntosh I'll see your "So how does a company that wants to position themselves as a major 3rd party vendor for Sage 100 get to skip an update" and raise you with "how does Sage promote a free/included multi-bin solution which is not compatible with Sage's manufacturing solution?".



    How do some endorsed solutions get away with releasing full version updates at a pace I might describe in "family friendly terms" as "any damn time they feel like it.". If I'm not mistaken, at least one major endorsed tax solution was not released until September, when the major Sage release was out in April.

    This has been going on for YEARS. 
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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 12.  RE: IRD that requires a SPECIFIC PU is a fail, IMO

    Posted 01-05-2023 14:28
    @Wayne Schulz  because apparently the only requirement for being "endorsed" is agreeing to give Sage a big cut of your sales....​​

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    Phil McIntosh
    President
    Friendly Systems, Inc.
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