@DougHiggs Earlier this week I was ranting and raving about the same exact things. I have a very large project that I was quoting comparing perpetual, 100c-monthly and 100c-annual and 3 phases. I scrapped all of that and only presented 100c-annual, because I knew the prospect would just get confused. Since they need the ""new manufacturing"" (in phase 2), I can't even consider perpetual with Sage 100 any more. I don't know where we'll end up with them, but at least the details are simpler.