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#GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

  • 1.  #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-20-2023 16:12
    Any one attend today?  Any exciting news to share?  Any updates regarding actual promos for Sage 100.  Any new org charts not written with pencil or filled in as TBA?

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    Jeff Schwenk
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    (540) 221-4444
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  • 2.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-22-2023 09:51
    I didn't attend. I'm watching for the recording to appear in Sage Partner Hub.
    Marc Monday is taking Nancy Teixeira's spot. Sage says this is only as a "caretaker," but I suspect it will become permanent.

    Sage reported their Q1 2023 earnings which appeared to meet expectations ( which in today's market is great ). Their revenues were up 10% and overall USA is doing great with revenue growth.

    More notes I took from the call: 
    Sage Q1 2023 earnings call
    • 67% of cost is employee which gives confidence to forecasting margins
    • 4-5% price increases yearly
    • Sage Intacct in UK pick up has been good - no metrics given (# of customers), key products in UK: Sage Intacct , Sage Active
    Q&A From Various Analysts:

    Growth US vs Europe. QB is growing by 20% in the US. Is a similar acceleration coming to Europe?

    Intacct growing 30% in NA
    Move to cloud-enabled for accounting/payroll has been strong in the US, Europe growing 3% - slightly different. Now rolling out cloud-native in Europe. It will take time to grow. Needs to be an awareness and willingness to adopt BH customers and partners.

    Growth in Europe to increase? Howell declines to give guidance but says, "we are hopeful".

    BOA: Update on 2023 roadmap on major launches in Europe, in US any update on brand marketing?

    Howell: The real push is the launch of Intacct, MFG, Sage Active. Acquisitions Brightpearl, Lockstep

    In North America a significant shift in spend to marketing, over 40% of recurring revenue is spent on marketing.

    Don't lack brand knowledge in the medium segment. Comfortable with sim rate in that market.

    Jeffries: Has there been change in churn as people change from on prem to subscription?

    There has been some press. Relates to a minimal number of Sage 50 UK on-prem license customers. Been going through a 5 year migration. Now moving all customers to subscription for security, etc.

    Any ability to say how many are left (Sage 50):

    Howell: in terms of base and revenue, it's an immaterial number

    Closing:

    Any further questions please contact James and thank you for your time.



    Link to Intuit Q12023, which showed about 19% growth https://seekingalpha.com/article/4562032-intuit-high-teens-eps-growth-expected-in-fy23-despite-worsening-macro-in-q1

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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 3.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-24-2023 11:39
    Edited by Wayne Schulz 01-24-2023 11:42

    Here's the recording - unfortunately, the recording jumps right in, and the speaker doesn't identify himself. My guess is maybe that it's Marc Monday. 


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3toiSbHT8

    1. Weathering the storm/lighthouse story
    2. Sage as the "rescue boat" to help and rescue SMB customers across the US who need/want our help
    3. Thank you to Nancy Teixeira
    4. OKR = Objective and Key Responsibilities





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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 4.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-26-2023 16:17
    Thanks for sharing this... What did we learn

    • OKRs - Objectives and Key Results - a new acronym.
    • With Nancy leaving nothing changes, not even the people...
    • Peyton indicated that 25% have 7 figure annuities.   That is a viable VAR business but that also means 75% do not.  How many people does $1mil support and what is the investment to achieve that level?
    • I always like Dianna Lane, however, this presentation was great for new partners and not a mature channel. BMS growth is nice, but I wonder how much of it is pandemic recovery related.
    • I was surprised to hear as much talk about how tough the economy is.  In my talks with partners, business is not that bad. If Sage is growing, think about how other products are doing.
    The one thing that seemed missing from many of the words was the customer.  Adding more ISVs to sell more is backwards from identifying customer needs and product gaps and filling those to delight the customer.  Not the best use of my time, but always important to keep aligned with your publisher!

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    Gary Feldman
    I-Business Network, LLC
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  • 5.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-27-2023 09:12
    >With Nancy leaving, nothing changes, not even the people...

    This is how Sage reorganizes. They did the same thing with Kelly. He left, but his basic blueprint is mainly in place. Admittedly many of his top execs followed him out the door, but it's also hard to know how much was normal churn.

    >Peyton indicated that 25% have 7-figure annuities.   That is a viable VAR business, but that also means 75% do not.  How many people does $1mil support, and what is the investment to achieve that level?

    Relying on vendor commissions as a material portion of your revenue is a losing playbook. Many of the smaller VARS in this space seem to be trying to develop their IP to control more of their revenue stream.

    >I was surprised to hear as much talk about how tough the economy is.  In my talks with partners, business is not that bad. If Sage is growing, think about how other products are doing.

    Me too. However, what's happening in the stock market and with tech layoffs, generally, can't be ignored. I feel the pandemic pulled a bunch of work/sales forward into the pandemic period. Now, as we deal with a post-pandemic economy, much of the accelerated spending is taking a breather or reducing.



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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 6.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-27-2023 09:32
    Maybe I'm naive.  I'm not seeing issues with the economy.  Maybe job shifting.  Tech is laying off but manufacturing is hiring.  Here's some stats I gathered:
    dow - although down 28% over 1 year

    3 yrs ago 28256
    yesterday 33949
    so up 20% over 3 years

    unemployment is 3.5%

    30 yr ave mortgage rate since 1971 is 7.76
    30 yr ave mortgage rate 6.36

    Current annual inflation rate is 6.5% - this is tough to measure because each individuals inflation rate varies

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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  • 7.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-27-2023 10:51
    The caution exercised by our current customers is different from those considering investing in a new system. Sage sees the latter; we, on this thread, largely see the former. 

    Small business execs are judging their challenges over the next 1 to 2 years in this economic thing. They read business reports, talk with their peers, hear the daily news, etc. Interest rates going up affect all financing, and some companies are pretty heavily leveraged since debt has been very, very cheap for a long time. (I don't think comparing mortgage rates over 30 years is relevant, since nearly all people making decisions have mortgages from the past 20 years, when interest was very low. Averaging over 50 years to judge current decision-making is misleading because there was at least 10 years of very high rates in the middle.)

    The overwhelming message in all those sources is a general sense that the economy is getting worse. They plan accordingly, with the risks of choosing the wrong direction forefront.  

    In good times, companies buy "vitamins," like a new system. In tight times, they buy "pain killers," things that reduce costs. Sage sells to companies looking for vitamins, and they hear feedback relevant to that. 

    @Wayne Schulz's observation about pandemic front-loading some work is quite true. I think current customers are continuing to consider smaller projects to continue to reduce the need for headcount or to give them better visibility and control over costs. Hence, most of us haven't seen obvious pull backs​​ from current customers.

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    Jerry Norman
    Smartbridge Partners
    (512) 653-7498
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  • 8.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-27-2023 11:18
    Maybe it is not fair to average 30 years particularly when rates were in the teens in the late 70's early 80's.  However, I think we have been spoiled the last several years being able to lock in at 3%.  I think most business people new rates would begin to rise and that there would be an inflationary period coming, particularly after the labor shortages, supply chain interruptions etc..  I might be drinking some spiked Kool Aid but I don't see the big recession.  Inflation spiked last June.  Fed action has a lagging effect... It takes a while before the medicine works.  The rate increase in December may not be noticeable until July.

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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  • 9.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-27-2023 11:34
    Coincidentally just saw this:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/fed-seen-ending-rate-hikes-by-march-as-inflation-slows/ar-AA16O7uE?cvid=707cd672f28e467c8911109cd9e989d0

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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  • 10.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-27-2023 11:44
    The question that triggered this sub-thread was "why is Sage talking about bad economy when we don't really see it?" To answer this in a relevant way, we don't actually predict whether we get a recession, or what the Fed will do with rates. 

    The answer to this is "what do our customers see?" Sort of a meta issue. 

    If customers see things the way you do, @Doug Higgs that's one thing. If they see it more darkly, that's another.   ​

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    Jerry Norman
    Smartbridge Partners
    (512) 653-7498
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  • 11.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-24-2023 11:45
    Marc Monday reiterates that he is a caretaker for Nancy's role and will return to his "day job." 
    That implies they either won't replace Nancy T or the search is still underway.

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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 12.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-24-2023 11:47
    Marc is the Keynote from Sage this year.  He will be joining us at Meeting of the Minds.

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    Anne Sawyer
    Executive Director
    90 Minds, Inc. 1
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  • 13.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-24-2023 12:21
    TL;DR

    I'm not sure who this was for - or what specific outcome was desired. It was mainly to calm the channel about Nancy Teixeira leaving,  acknowledge the business downturn people are reading about (and experiencing) and keep the channel motivated.

    I walked away more confused as Nancy Teixeira was mentioned a few times, and Marc himself references multiple times that he expects to return to his day job. So there was no replacement announced, no discussion of whether there would be a replacement. More like a "keep rowing" type of town hall.

    It lasted about 43 minutes and, IMO, could have been an email

    1. No Q&A
    2. Game on



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    Wayne Schulz
    wayne@s-consult.com
    Schulz Consulting
    (860) 516-8990
    Moodus, CT
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  • 14.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-25-2023 08:54
    This makes now at least 2 consecutive "shows" by Sage senior management that left me wondering, "what did they want me to learn and do?" This one even showed more of the "camaraderie" that was overdone in the previous one. I wish they would explicitly list at the beginning what they want us to learn and do as a result of the meeting that we wouldn't if we didn't attend. 

    IMO, most of these are meant to build our confidence. If so, they aren't sharing the information needed to succeed at that. I think that Q & A is a central element needed. BMS partners need far different information to boost confidence than do Intacct partners. (I'm not sure Intacct partners need much at all.)

    But at least they didn't have presenters who didn't know how to produce professional-sounding audio...

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    Jerry Norman
    Smartbridge Partners
    (512) 653-7498
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  • 15.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-25-2023 19:49
    Alas, no matter what they continue to promise, the result remains the same.



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    Jeff Schwenk
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    (540) 221-4444
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  • 16.  RE: #GameOn for Q2 Partner Town Hall

    Posted 01-25-2023 19:59
    They are never going to take questions, aka a town hall meeting...  There is nobody in the US qualified to answer the questions.  The answers come from overseas and the placeholders in the US are the messengers... mostly of price and tier changes... and it is then hot potato as to who is the person that gets to deliver the news to the customer.  ... How about some good news once on a while, like "Hey, you don't have to email and fax in your requests for price quotes, user count or platform changes. We now have an enhanced partner portal where you can instantly make changes for the end user.... you know, like a world class SaaS company.".

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    Doug Higgs
    Midwest Commerce Solutions, Inc
    (312) 315-0960
    Chauffeur, Chef, and Personal Assistant to Sprinkles
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