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  • 1.  Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-06-2020 18:10
    After lunch on Saturday at Meeting of Minds Chuck Peddy and I will lead a 1-hour session about making Firm of the Future concepts work for your organization. I have significant experience with making my very small firm work well with these ideas, and we'll start the session with a review of the basics. We'll also use examples to help illustrate them.

    I know that many of you have either started down this path, or tried and stalled, or haven't quite figured out how to start. So I'd love to hear from you about 
    - Your success stories! Don't worry if they're small -- all are good to help understanding the real-world efforts needed.

    - Things that got in the way of movement.
    - Examples of items that just didn't seem to work out right.
    - Risks you see that make starting this too hard.

    If I use your input, I will put your name with it or keep it anonymous, as you wish.

    I'd prefer for you to respond here, but if you want a sidebar, that's fine me. Call or email me:
    jnorman@smartbp.com
    512.419.1444 x112

    Thanks for your help!

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    Jerry Norman
    President, 90 Minds
    Smartbridge Partners
    512.419.1444 x112
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  • 2.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 10:00
    1. Return calls and emails promptly
    2. Stop saying “it won’t work for us”
    3. Stop saying “we know we should”
    4. Nike - just do it.
    5. Take hourly billing off the menu ( see #2,3,4)



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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 3.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 10:53
    1-4 are not directions I'd anticipated. But it's certainly part of this Thanks!

    I don't quite understand 2. Can you give an example? ​

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    Jerry Norman
    President, 90 Minds
    Smartbridge Partners
    512.419.1444 x112
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  • 4.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 11:25
    Hopefully these questions are on topic:

    • When trying to shift from hourly to quote based services, it can be a challenge for small-ish requests (under 5hrs effort).  Often the customer doesn't know all the details up front and just wants to work towards a solution.  How do you quote without a fixed scope project?  How do you deal with scope creep, when things change mid-project?  (Stopping and talking about money again mid-way isn't going to be popular).

    • When dealing with value based pricing... again, knowing the value can be a challenge.  Estimating the cost is generally easier, because those are things we deal with ourselves, but judging the impact of a request can take time, and for cost conscious customers (who know that time is money), why would they want to express how important something is to them?

    • How do you deal with "can I schedule an hour of your time to talk about...?" type requests, when that is all they want (to talk)?

    • How do you deal with support type activities where you have ongoing / repeated issues with the root cause beyond your control (e.g. incompetent in house IT)?


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    Kevin Moyes
    Technical Systems Analyst
    Munjal White Consulting Co.
    Toronto ON
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  • 5.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 12:12
    Kevin, these questions are exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

    The short version of solutions to some of these problems:

    - Keep the diagnosis-solution 2-step always in mind. 

    - set per-instance price for these most common issues: support diagnosis; basic report writing (starts at ...), data fixes, etc. 

    - annual agreement. A key element is that all incoming calls are free, along with the initial diagnosis. Fixes might be additional fee, but 80% of what we do is fixed along the way of diagnosing it. fixed prices for those not on agreement are ~2x the rack rate for "on agreement" 

    - Offer 3-level proposals, always.  The lowest level is always a bare-bones solution, where customer is required to pay close attention and meet tight turnaround. The highest option is then 2.5x-4x the price of this "anchor," the mid-level is somewhere in between. IMO deciding what things to add to the top 2 deliverables is the hard part. 

    Start with setting base prices for common issues, and use them in the agreement. That removes 80% of the customer issues. Now you can work on the remainder.

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    Jerry Norman
    President, 90 Minds
    Smartbridge Partners
    512.419.1444 x112
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  • 6.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 11:52
    Variations of #2 are:
    - We tried but ...
    - You are small and we are big so it won't work
    - You don't understand we have a large number of offices


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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 7.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 12:15
    Wayne,
    Those are part of the questions I mentioned.  Us worker bees don't necessarily have the business insights into context / value, so it can be a challenge to work independently, and move away from hourly billing.
    "Can you do X for me?"
    "Yes... but I don't know how much to charge you.  Can we talk?"

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    Kevin Moyes
    Technical Systems Analyst
    Munjal White Consulting Co.
    Toronto ON
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  • 8.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 12:39
    I had the exact same problems. 
    Here's how I solved them.
    1. Minimum fee
    Example: Mr/Ms customer if the fix you are asking for doesn't have at least $xxx value then I suggest not proceeding as our minimum fee is $xxx

    2. To me, there is a difference between quoting an existing customer and quoting a web lead who I don't know.
    The existing customers who are on a Schulz ( NOT Sage ) plan ( as Jerry mentioned ) get an initial conference remotely at no cost. The web lead/ orphan who has a casual inquiry is going to get a casual ( high ) quote. 

    I have significant flexibility if the inquiry is in the range of something I know well and it is for an existing customer on my plan.

    Here's an example of where I had to draw the line between covered and not-covered yesterday: 

    Customer on Sage 100 2016 has created an MS Access database. They did not have us create it or pay/consult with us on it. No problem there.

    They moved workstations and suddenly could not get into the Access DB.

    My suspicion is that moving workstations also meant they picked up 64-bit MS Access so I assisted with installing the 64-bit ODBC. I tested the 32-bit ODBC with Crystal and it worked fine. They were able to test MS Access with 64-bit and it worked initially. Subsequently, later in the day, they emailed they were getting other errors within MS Access. I told them that Access wasn't my area of expertise and there would be a fee to become involved in debugging an integration that we hadn't created. Our responsibility was to get the ODBC running and not become the support department for the inner workings of their integration.

    What will my fee be? Probably my minimum but I stated I wouldn't offer a money-back guarantee and it would be best efforts. 

    That's not really the important part.

    After the inquiry, I updated the FAQ for my support agreement to address this issue. So next time it happens at the same or a different customer I'll have a response ready. Remember that once you touch that issue the customer feels like you own the problem so best to be sure it's a covered item or that you have an agreement to bill for it. 

    I'd say in 90% of the cases the customer agrees. The other 10% the customer says it wasn't that big a deal and defers.


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    Wayne Schulz - Schulz Consulting - 860-516-8990
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  • 9.  RE: Firm of the Future session at MOTM - Anybody have questions/suggesstions?

    Posted 02-07-2020 19:13

    Kevin, thanks for these. It is hard, not impossible but hard, to do this by yourself. It will probably not work if the execs aren't in on it, too. 

    That said, You will get a lot of benefit just from taking t&m out of the support processes. Set aside the special stuff, and just simplify the support. Putting simple pricing on a support call (not necessarily the solution) leads to the annual agreement where those calls are n/c. Shifts the focus to helping the customers move to (almost) trouble-free systems -- or else their annual price goes up.

    Keep in mind that the support pricing is like an insurance portfolio: win big on most, lose some on a few. 

    For those trouble calls which aren't solved during the call, we offer 3 options to solve. One is always free (usually the KB article) - They almost never choose this option, but it takes away their complaint about paying more to fix This illustrates a key concept here: customers pay less if they will do more of the work &/or keep us waiting less. 

    These comments have helped me focus a bit more on what we need to include in our presentation. Thanks!



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    Jerry Norman
    President, 90 Minds
    Smartbridge Partners
    512.419.1444 x112
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