What about all the other products? SI? SIA? They all require a skill set you either pick up (I know, easier said than done) or work with someone who knows it. We have a CRM group in here because it was included with EES (and Peter is a member, of course). Many of us have end users who've implemented it, either on our own or through others. I see Sage doing the same with CRM that they've been doing with both SI and SIA. They are gung-ho to bypass us one way or another.