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  • 1.  COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 12:00
    I just had a client call who was doing a payroll to be paid on April 2 and noticed after a payroll tax update downloaded yesterday that it started computing employer FICA again.

    I know that the original provisions expire March 31,  but from everything we have googled it appears that it has this was extended in legislation on March 11.

    Anyone have any better information on this.  Possibly this has not been accounted for in the payroll tax updates yet?

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    Thomas Rogers (TomTarget)
    Target System Technology, Inc.
    Spokane Valley WA
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  • 2.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 12:25
    I just had one call re this, too

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    Beth Bowers
    Mom to Samson, Peanut, ChiChi, Canton, Cagney and Daisy (NO Oxford comma - shriek!)
    Tennessee Software Solutions
    269-445-1625
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  • 3.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 12:43
    I also just had a call on this.  Pay Period Ending 3/27/2021, check date 4/2/2021.  


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    Nancy Hanson
    Blytheco LLC
    Eagan MN
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  • 4.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 15:04
    Below is information from the Sage HRMS Q1 2021 release documentation regarding the ARPA change.

    Changes for taxes, earnings, and deductions related to COVID-19
    There were a few changes to Payroll resulting from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA):
    Effective April 1, 2021, employers are no longer exempt from paying Social Security tax for
    Emergency Paid Sick Leave, Emergency Paid Sick Leave for Others, and Emergency Paid Family
    Leave.

    The current Sage 100 payroll tax update also correctly reflects that change for any checks dated 4/1/21 or after.



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    Shari Eckersley
    ICS Support
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  • 5.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 15:10
    So who's right?  Googling makes it appear it has been extended past the Mar 31 deadline.

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    Beth Bowers
    Mom to Samson, Peanut, ChiChi, Canton, Cagney and Daisy (NO Oxford comma - shriek!)
    Tennessee Software Solutions
    269-445-1625
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  • 6.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 17:31
    Any posts on Sage City?

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 7.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 03-30-2021 18:07

    I just posted the question of the Payroll Group on Sage City...

     

    Sue Bennett | President

    Bennett/Porter & Associates, Inc.

    P. 503 620 3484 | F. 503 620 2765

    12559 SW 69th Ave | Portland, OR  97223

    Email address | www.benpor.com

    Bennett/Porter Blog facebook twitter

     

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  • 8.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 04-12-2021 08:37
    Did you hear anything on this?

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    Beth Bowers
    Mom to Samson, Peanut, ChiChi, Canton, Cagney and Daisy (NO Oxford comma - shriek!)
    Tennessee Software Solutions
    269-445-1625
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  • 9.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 04-12-2021 12:43

    I think a Sage employee by the name of Gerard posted this as a reply to my specifically stated Sage 100 Payroll question about COVID wages:

     

    Please forward your request with your product site code number to support@payroll.sageone.co.za in order for us to identify which Sage product you are currently using to further assist or correctly forward your request to the correct product support team to further assist you with your query.

     

    I didn't do that.  Everything that I can find on the web assumes that the Employer FICA is still exempt as of April 1st.  But I didn't go through the process of contacting Sage.  I did, however, contact several other payroll processors who say nothing has changed, and Employer FICA is still exempt.  It sure would be nice for Sage to change the Tax Engine back if that's true, however.  I'm going to take a different route today and see if I can't find the answer...

     

     

     

    Sue Bennett | President

    Bennett/Porter & Associates, Inc.

    P. 503 620 3484 | F. 503 620 2765

    12559 SW 69th Ave | Portland, OR  97223

    Email address | www.benpor.com

    Bennett/Porter Blog facebook twitter

     

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  • 10.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 04-12-2021 12:57
    Maybe there will be a Q/A period during today's BONUS session where this can be asked.  I know I read about it being extended but then again, my source would have been the Internet.  Just can't believe everything you read on it these days......

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 11.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 04-12-2021 16:40
    I did type the Employer FICA change in the Chat Box on the webinar today, and I did get a reply from Kevin Kawado.  He says the Government issued this ruling to take place on April 1st:

    Provides that paid sick and paid family leave credits may each be increased by the employer's share of Social Security tax (6.2%) and employer's share of Medicare tax (1.45%) on qualified leave wages. Note: the leave is no longer exempt from employer Social Security tax, instead the tax is added to the amount of the credit resulting in no net change to the employer's cost of providing the leave. This change is likely due to rules around the budget reconciliation process that was used to move the Act through the Senate.

    Which, if I'm reading it correctly, means we have to charge the Employer FICA portion effective April 1st, but just like Employer Medicare has been since the start of the COVID Wage rules, the Employer FICA portion is taken out as a credit against payroll taxes when they're paid.  I guess the biggest place that it makes a difference will be on the 2nd Quarter 941 Form.  (Just guessing!)

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    Sue Bennett
    Jack of All Trades, Master of 1
    Bennett/Porter & Associates, Inc.
    Tigard OR
    503.620.3484
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  • 12.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 04-12-2021 16:47
    Thanks for doing that, @Sue Bennett!  What a continuing mess...​

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    Beth Bowers
    Mom to Samson, Peanut, ChiChi, Canton, Cagney and Daisy (NO Oxford comma - shriek!)
    Tennessee Software Solutions
    269-445-1625
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  • 13.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 06-28-2021 09:44
    Client emailed.

    As of 4/1 employers have to pay social security tax on sick wages and then receive a credit on the 941.  The IRS site shows their form was updated in June but Sage isn't updated.  Wages that were to be shown on line 5a(i) after 4/1 need to go on line 5a.

     I know we still have a couple days left for Aatrix getting the 941 updated.  Just wanted to move this to the top again.

    The question is whether there WILL BE an update on the horizon.......



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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 14.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 06-28-2021 11:27

    The 941 Form has to change anyway, for "involuntarily" terminated employees, or employees who had their hours reduced and are/were no longer eligible for medical coverage, and who the employer has to offer coverage now under COBRA.  Same thing – employers get to take the COBRA coverage off of their payroll taxes, and there is an entirely new 941 worksheet just for the COBRA coverage for those specific ex-employees.

     

    Sue Bennett | President

    Bennett/Porter & Associates, Inc.

    P. 503 620 3484 | F. 503 620 2765

    12559 SW 69th Ave | Portland, OR  97223

    Email address | www.benpor.com

    Bennett/Porter Blog facebook twitter

     

    The information in this email and any attachments is considered confidential. This information may be subject to legal, professional, or other privilege. It must not be disclosed to any person without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient you are not authorized to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Please return this message to the sender immediately and delete any and all copies from your system.

     

     






  • 15.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 06-28-2021 11:51
    @Sue Bennett  - Wow, glad I only have "vanilla" users.......

    I will ask her to be patient.  Sage works in mysterious ways





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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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  • 16.  RE: COVID pay employer FICA

    Posted 06-30-2021 13:58
    A new Aatrix 941 downloaded last night (revision dated 6/2021).  Is this the correct (final) form?

    A client downloaded this AM but doesn't think the 941B is correct.

    The 941 appears to be calculating correctly.  The payroll system was calculating taxes correctly throughout the quarter.  However, the 941B does not appear to be including the employer's portion of Social Security taxes in the liability amount.  After 4/1, employers were required to pay social security taxes on qualified sick wages and then receive a credit on their 941


    Any comments?  I know for the first quarter credit, users had to modify the form for the credit.  Could this still be the case?

    TIA

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    Jeff Schwenk
    FORMER 90M Board Member
    Bottomline Software, Inc.
    Waynesboro VA
    540-221-4444
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